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#1 Denise Lloyd

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Posted 18 July 2017

Second senior management suspension as Cheshire East Council investigates misconduct allegations
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Second senior management suspension as Cheshire East Council investigates misconduct allegations

 

A SECOND member of Cheshire East Council's senior management has been suspended as a result of an internal disciplinary investigation.

Bill Norman, the council's director of legal services and monitoring officer, has been absent from his post since April and has now been officially suspended.

The decision follows the suspension of council CEO Mike Suarez on April 27.

A CEC spokesman said: “The Investigation and Disciplinary Committee reconvened on Friday, July 14, 2017. The committee is considering allegations relating to the conduct of senior officers.

“As a result of Friday’s hearing, the decision has been taken to suspend the director of legal services and monitoring officer in order than an independent investigation is undertaken."

The chairman of the committee said: “We would stress that this suspension is a neutral act taken in the interests of both the council and the director of legal services and monitoring officer.

“It is very important that this investigation is undertaken objectively and therefore it would be inappropriate to make any further comment at this stage.”

In line with arrangements made by the staffing committee on April 27, an interim officer is covering Mr Norman’s role.

As confirmed in April, CEC has made temporary appointments for its positions of chief executive, section 151 officer, and monitoring officer and head of legal services.

The council confirmed that Jan Willis is being paid £1,025 a day, which will be reduced to a monthly salary of £10,626, as acting section 151 officer so current officer Peter Bates can ‘focus on other responsibilities’.

Kath O’Dwyer has been appointed as acting chief executive follow the suspension of Mr Suarez over ‘officer conduct’ in April, and Daniel Dickinson has taken on the responsibilities of Mr Norman.

Mr Dickinson will be paid £2,621 a month on top of his existing salary for the duration of Mr Norman’s absence.


Edited by Colin James, 20 July 2017 .

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#2 twowheelsgood

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Posted 18 July 2017

Extraordinary, as are those salary figures. Perhaps the Chancellor has a point about public service salaries (the upper echelons at least).


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#3 megilleland

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Posted 18 July 2017

Extraordinary, as are those salary figures. Perhaps the Chancellor has a point about public service salaries (the upper echelons at least).

 

The trouble is the Chancellor can't see above the workers. After all he needs these common purpose trained managers to transform and cause chaos in the public sector. It's all part of the Conservative's plan for the Big Society.


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#4 Denise Lloyd

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Posted 18 July 2017

A highly enthusiastic interim director and management consultant who motivates and inspires his teams with a track-record of making immediate impact, both in respect of delivering change, reducing costs and improving services.

 
CIPFA and MBA qualified, experience as Director of Finance/Resources for Bristol City and Herefordshire Council’s, delivering robust budgets and financial strategies. Currently working for CIPFA undertaking financial resilience reviews for local authorities.
 
Specialities, strategic financial planning, change management, cost reduction, service improvement, public/private partnerships, commercial flair, building strong and effective teams.

Edited by Colin James, 20 July 2017 .

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#5 Denise Lloyd

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Posted 19 July 2017

Referring to the above post on Peter Robinson I could not find the forum where he was discussed previously so thought I could put the two together sort of Rogues Gallery.

 

Anyway how can Peter Robinson the finance director suspended by Herefordshire Council for financial irregularities get a job on behalf of CIPFA advising other councils on their finance?.


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#6 Pete Boggs

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Posted 20 July 2017

I don't know about "cost reduction" but old Sex-Dwarf Robinson certainly made a few thousand quid disappear from the Council's budget.

 

As for Norman it's history repeating itself - if things run true to form Cheshire East will pay him off and he go and wreak havoc on another authority's legal department.


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#7 Chris Chappell

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Posted 23 July 2017

I suffered under Norman's incompetence. But I wait until I am ready to make him and others answer for their incompetence. Meanwhile, what are the law society doing about it? Perhaps we all have to wait until there are no more excuses, then we get the answers?
It might cost his former LAs £ms, but then they should have thought of that earlier! ( I chose my words carefully)
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#8 twowheelsgood

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Posted 23 July 2017

The Law Society are there to protect their own - why should they do anything? What are councillors doing about officers who time and again shortlist corrupt and incompetent people for highly paid jobs when googling them will show their history in a few seconds? Come to that, why don't councillors do a bit of searching before employing these people?


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#9 SON OF GRIDKNOCKER

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Posted 24 July 2017

The Law Society are there to protect their own - why should they do anything? What are councillors doing about officers who time and again shortlist corrupt and incompetent people for highly paid jobs when googling them will show their history in a few seconds? Come to that, why don't councillors do a bit of searching before employing these people?

Nevertheless, if the Law Society's complaints department received letters from several Voice contributors, would they not have to haul Mr Norman before their Disciplinary Tribunal?


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#10 herefordman75

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Posted 24 July 2017

Maybe one of the current affairs programs needs a tip off about this sort of thing, bring it to the attention of the wider public


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#11 Pete Boggs

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Posted 24 July 2017

I suffered under Norman's incompetence. But I wait until I am ready to make him and others answer for their incompetence.

Not half as much as the members of Council staff he persecuted.  Plus you've been waiting rather a long time haven't you? He's been gone over a year. Left it a bit late I would suggest.

 

Otherwise what twowheelsgood said.


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#12 dippyhippy

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Posted 24 July 2017

Plus one to you, Pete!

And TWG! Great comments both.

As we've said countless times before....all of the 'history' of these people is in the public domain. Surely it can't be beyond the wit of man to insist that those who sit on the appointment committees, at least have a basic grasp of what havoc has been wreaked before?

It's too little too late for Cllrs to complain now.

As I recall, the Herefordshire Council whistleblower didn't get a very fair hearing from this guy.....how many Cllrs backed them up when the chips were down?
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#13 Chris Chappell

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Posted 24 July 2017

The law says that the CE of a LA is Head of Paid Service. That means councillors have NO say as to who is shortlisted for interview.
At CE and Director level, councillors are invited to an informal buffet to meet the candidates, then afterwards report back to the interview panel, who they think is suitable for the post on offer.

highly paid professionals, from outside the county, will have shifted through the applicants, long before they are shortlisted. Now I agree these professionals have proved over the ylears that they not much good but they ones used by both private and public sector.
Very unfair to blame councillors for something we have no authority over, but of course you all knew that!

As for Norman. I take as long as it takes to ensure that those who do an injustice are brought to book! Maybe some of you need to look over your shoulder! But if Norman can be found guilty of half of those things he is accused of by bloggers, then it needs to stick and justice, something I am committed to what ever the supposed wrong, needs to take its place, no kangaroo courts please. If bloggers got an informed and evidenced based problem with Norman, put it in writing. if you want sent it to me, and I will pass it on to those who need to see it, but please, stop hiding behind these silly names you use. We have had our laugh about the things you say, now we need to use this site for real information and news that will get things moving.

Some of you not going to like my response, but at least I got the balls to tell you how it is. ALL your questions can be found on LGA / Government// web sites if you want to look. Sorry guys but I give as good as I get!! If you don't like it get off this site!
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#14 Aylestone Voice

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Posted 24 July 2017

Sorry Chris but if time after time the Head of the Paid Service is overseeing a management structure that makes poor appointments then Councillors can do something. You will know what it is.

Norman and Robinson are just two examples of a long list of poor appointments, but there is also the gravy train of long standing Officers who move around the Council from senior management position to senior management position in the endless restructures, who seem to be somebody's favourite, but may or not be qualified for the job


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#15 Pete Boggs

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Posted 25 July 2017

As for Norman. I take as long as it takes to ensure that those who do an injustice are brought to book! Maybe some of you need to look over your shoulder! But if Norman can be found guilty of half of those things he is accused of by bloggers, then it needs to stick and justice, something I am committed to what ever the supposed wrong, needs to take its place, no kangaroo courts please. If bloggers got an informed and evidenced based problem with Norman, put it in writing. if you want sent it to me, and I will pass it on to those who need to see it, but please, stop hiding behind these silly names you use. We have had our laugh about the things you say, now we need to use this site for real information and news that will get things moving.

 

Some of you not going to like my response, but at least I got the balls to tell you how it is. ALL your questions can be found on LGA / Government// web sites if you want to look. Sorry guys but I give as good as I get!! If you don't like it get off this site!

 

Translation: You're doing NOTHING.  As usual. If Norman goes down it’ll be because of what happened in Cheshire East, not Herefordshire where he was indulged and allowed to run riot.  

 

As for getting off this site we could say the same to you.  You might fancy yourself as a community leader (see nauseating letter in Hereford Times of a few weeks ago) but you’re not the moderator here.  You don't get to tell us what we can and cannot discuss.

 


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#16 twowheelsgood

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Posted 25 July 2017

Sorry Chris but if time after time the Head of the Paid Service is overseeing a management structure that makes poor appointments then Councillors can do something. You will know what it is.

Norman and Robinson are just two examples of a long list of poor appointments, but there is also the gravy train of long standing Officers who move around the Council from senior management position to senior management position in the endless restructures, who seem to be somebody's favourite, but may or not be qualified for the job

 

Thank you, telling it like it is and confirming a lot of what has been said on numerous threads, despite Cllr Chappell's rather pompous claims to the contrary.


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#17 dippyhippy

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Posted 25 July 2017

Grr.

I copied what I wanted, moved it to here - it worked! Foolishly edited the post...and now I've lost the stuff again.

I hate technology.

The thread was Disability Discrimination on The Wirral - Bill Normans Role. And post no. 39 was what I was attempting to find!

18 months ago, discussions were taking place on qualifications for certain roles. I wondered if AV had seen it, and was this perhaps what he was thinking of?

Edited by dippyhippy, 25 July 2017 .

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#18 megilleland

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Posted 26 July 2017

Is it this one Dippy:

Post 39

Posted 17 January 2016
 

Denise Lloyd, on 17 Jan 2016 - 18:58, said:

What is the name of the new legal beaver at Herefordshire Council ?

There isn't one Denise - as I understand it Natalia Silver one of Geoff Hughes' proteges is now in charge of the legal department, but doesn't have any legal qualifications. Neither does the grandly titled Head of Law, Governance and Resilience who is also in charge of the legal department... One of the Deputy Solicitors is fulfilling the post of monitoring officer.  A case of too many chiefs perhaps?

As to whether Bill Norman was any good? er...no.   Rumour is he hadn't made himself too popular with the Plough Lane bigwigs after a botched restructure of the legal and committee departments which saw a load of experienced staff depart, but subsequently failed to recruit anyone new. Doh! That might have something to do with his sudden departure from Hereford.

Edited by Pete Boggs, 17 January 2016 .
 


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#19 Denise Lloyd

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Posted 08 August 2017

More trouble at Cheshire East

 

https://www.theguard...-pollution-data

 

Does Norman follow trouble or does trouble follow him?


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#20 Pete Boggs

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Posted 09 August 2017


Does Norman follow trouble or does trouble follow him?

 

I think that's might be one of those chicken and egg type questions Denise. Personally I think bent authorities like Cheshire East and Herefordshire like to employ bent officers who they know will have the moral flexibility to do things that might give more honest people pause for thought.

 

Incidentally someone wants to know who at East Cheshire is being investigated by Inspector Knacker and Co:

 

https://www.whatdoth...ncoming-1017392

 

The Council have responded but have used a bit of sophistry, based on the applicant's slightly clumsy wording, to avoid answering who exactly might be helping the police with their enquiries. If anyone.


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