stupidfrustration

That amused me! These forums generally generate an IP address to the Moderator ... Not rocket Science to trace that and to narrow your identity down! 

Well, I would rather not out myself, and I believe if you really really wanted to try and track me down by my IP - without a court order you will find out I live in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hereford!

Well, good on you!

I look forward to reading your contributions! Its always great to have new members who actually post! I can never see the point in folk who sign up, then never post a single word!!

Thank you dippyhippy - I have enjoyed for many months reading your posts.

It seems to be around public order and police finances. In reality it is about fairness. Why should it be that the cold food shops - Lunchbox, petrol station etc. can be open until dawn if they want but the hot food places cannot?What are the reasons the police and the council give for there being more problems with customers who want hot food as opposed to cold food.After all I expect the area still needs to be policed. What is needed is for one of the hot food shops to apply to amend their licencing hours and then for the matter to be debated.

I agree about fairness - but that would be a perfect world - we don't live in a perfect world where all is fair.

Answer this one - when play / fusion / saxtys have a 3am licence how come mamma jammers is open till 4am?

Have a read through this whole topic and you will get the general idea, I appreciate that back before the licensing laws were relaxed everyone would pile out into Commercial Rd at 1am and often (like in most town and cities throughout the country) alcohol fuelled people would let their emotions run high and fights inevitably would break out, this happens every weekend, not just in Hereford

 

So this does not happen too much in Hereford due to the licensing restrictions imposed by the council?

A good thing right?

but the changes came into effect at the same time that the licensing laws were relaxed ??? Nowadays, people tend to go out later because there is no mad rush to get the drinks down your throat before 11pm and a mad dash to the nightclub or you would not get in. Instead of a mass exodus from the nightclubs at 1 or 2 am now there is steady trickle of people leaving at all hours, so the problems of the past are no longer there! So its beyond me why the council in Hereford enforce this stupid pointless curfew on hot food, like its going to make a difference!

 

I kinda agree but as with everything it's about reducing issues. Kebab shops mean people who have had a drink congregate and many people together - hanging around without security COULD mean fights occur. Not having hot food - or the council using their powers to reduce the problem is surely a good thing?

People now go to the Lunchbox in Commercial Rd, (drive past at 2am on a Friday or Saturday, rarely any problems) or they will go to the 24 hour garage, or Tesco, so why not a restaurant or takeaway?

 

As above - people who have had a drink will eat within saxtys / play / fusion with security around and then go home - or you look at other towns without this ruling and people hang around in these food houses till all hours creating mess and the potential for fights to happen - without security

2. Well it is easier to ask which establishments are not allowed to serve hot food after 1.30am. Not so long ago you could get hot food from The Golden Galleon until 3-4am Chinese take aways were usually open until at least 2-3am, I remember grabbing a Chinese at 2am on my way home after finishing my shift working on the door. The Chinese in Bridge St was always open. Who remembers the Lotus?? that used to close at 4am!

 

Yes - all understood

1. I contacted the council a few years ago and was told that hot food served late at night needs licensing and food establishments need to apply for late licences which seem to be rejected. Paul Neades (Landlord of Yates) may be able to throw more light on this but basically the police are trying to save money here by employing less officers on the weekends!

 

Thank you Colin for your reply.

So looking at the above - what is wrong with that?

Once again should my taxs be going on extra police at the 4am shift change so 50 people can get a burger at 3.45 in the morning?

That can not be the reason or they would let late night food establishments trade till 3am with hot food?

(I am guessing here)

My perception is that the Cops have got this ingrained nod and a wink arrangement with the Council so that it impacts less on their shift patterns .... Nothing to do with trying to reinvent the City Nightlife ... Just another tool to minimise the shift strength at night! All the Policing of mundane stuff is now via a CSO but they all go home to their bed at night so as they have all fcuked off you are stuck with a chip shop ban .... !!!!! 

So - should my tax's going on policing budgets till 5am so the kebab shops can stay open till 4am?

Cops working with the council - madness I say, who would want those two authorities working together for a safer city.

Ive picked up over time that you are an ex cop? Just out of interest what rank did you get to? ( I honestly dont know the answer to that question, just trying to understand your knowledge level ) 

Good Grief Stupidfrustration!

 

Please don't tell me this is all the fault of the seagulls...??!!!

Sorry - Seagulls are just another of my frustrations! Not THE ONLY frustration, and no, they are not the real issue here, but they are part of the by product of late night food houses.

As with the new University, there at long last appears to be some joined up thinking by the powers that be with this city, and I think in the next few years this city will change for the better.

Nope - didnt get kicked off of HT, but I do scan that on occasion - I dont post there, in fact, this is the only Hereford based site I post on.

It does frustrate me how many people spout their personal opinions as fact, when clearly they have little grasp, apart from their own personal opinion on the facts of the issue.

I have no intention of giving my name here, as that could put my position in jeopardy, but I will only comment on things I do have some information/knowledge on and over time I have seen posts from many "famous names" who clearly have no knowledge about the issues they post on.

I just couldnt hold back any longer and had to create an account. 

I couldn't name them all, but Flames and good number of others from Union Street, as well as 3-4 in Bridge Street off of the top of my head.

I mean Bridge Street is absolutely dead now, it's like walking down a deserted ally at night there. It used to be bustling with revellers and eateries - now even the street lights struggle to make an appearance.

 

I actually posted not too long ago about walking all over town looking for a good takeaway burger (in the day) and succumbed to eating a tesco prawn sandwich in the car.

Perhaps there are less revellers out and about these days, maybe due to the supermarkets being so cheep, and as there are less party goers for "fightclub" and "pill loved up club" and Fusion, Saxtys etc, then there is less call for the late night food houses.

I remember your post about the prawn sandwich, and I remember some of the points, but because you could not find a place good enough for you to eat, hardly makes the point.

There are plenty of places to eat in Hereford, from "high end" to "low end".

I will however agree, that a great "proper Hereford beef" burger, something like what the Jail House owners create would be a great day time restaurant in Hereford. Beefy Boys to get their own restaurant in town? Now thats a great idea! But only till 01.30 ;-) 

I work late, sometimes I've missed dinner and look for something on the way home. As do many other people who haven't been drinking, security, police, ambulance crews that haven't eaten for 12 hours because of the work load, etc

 

I appreciate your points, but when I used to go out a lot, the fights were outside the clubs not the burger and chip shops. In fact, when we used to go to charcoal grill (because the burgers in the clubs are over priced and taste like crap), the people in the chinese and burger places (customers) were always friendly and had a laugh together. And I'm talking 18-25 not older people.

 

I certainly know that now things are more violent, we avoid places like Play - dubbed fight club because of the ridiculous amounts of fights in there now. You'll actually have a much better time somewhere like the Jailhouse which, granted, doesn't seem like the friendly sort of crowd, but it's full of non judgemental people who are very friendly or pill heads who are just loved up. You're more likely to meet a new friend in there than in fight club.

 

I appreciate what you're saying, but again, we're talking about a warm sandwich being a national security issue :P 

Im very much pro business by the way, but I also understand the other side. 

I have worked on the doors in Hereford for over 16 years, they used to have door staff at the Golden Galleon and the Palace Chinese before it closed, but they were not really needed, there was hardly any trouble to be honest. This is not doing the local food establishments any good, they rely on their weekend trade!

 

It's a joke! As we have said before it's no wonder people choose to spend their Friday or Saturday nights away from Hereford

Hi Colin,

I know you are the boss around here, but I have a couple of questions for you?

1) Have you asked the police and council re their views about trouble in late night food houses?

And 

2) Which establishments have shut in lets say the last 3 years as they lacked trade after 0135?

Not looking to argue - I know you run the site, but I think they are fair questions?

She does, I fully agree with you about that!

I also agree with you that the HT is a frustrating "news"paper.

I also agree with you about Hereford Football Club and the posts you made re that.

But - as Im sure we will see as posts go on, I disagree with you on so many other things.

In fact, you are the reason why I joined this site.

Perhaps - once you have checked out what I say - you can come back to this thread and confirm I am right?

I got carried away with my reply - and missed some of your points.

15 years ago - there was a need for doorstaff on late night food houses, and in fact today, there is still a need for doorstaff in late night food houses.

Firstly - MUNCHIES has doorstaff, as does The Lunch box and in fact in many other towns like, erm, Worcester/Cardiff/Bristol for example all have security on their doors late at night.

Perhaps the issue can be resolved by having security as part of the licence for all the late night food places, and let them stay open later.

Perhaps 1 security company can take all the doors so all the late night food houses can work together to control this issue.

Is it possible that the clubs that have food as part of their licence are helping to reduce disorder in the town centre? 

stupidfrustration, that doesn't negate the fact that HC have issued only them with licences and not independent food traders which has created a monopoly. And monopolies are against the law.

 

15 years ago all the shops were open and serving and no one had any trouble or need for bouncers. In fact, it's quite ludicrous that people are arguing that security is needed for a warm ******* sandwich - don't you think?

erm - thanks for asking - but no I dont.

My reasoning - My 40 year old next door neighbor - has two kids, a lovely wife and he works hard, as do I.

My neighbor the other side and and his lovely wife in their 30's also work hard, as do i.

Neither them, nor I or in fact anyone I know stay at home for the evening, have a few drinks, and then at 0135 think, I know what, Ill leave Bartestree,/Moreton - On - Lugg/ Newton Farm, Bobblestock etc and make our way into town because I really need to get myself a kebab right now.

Oh no I cant - as they are all shut as of 5 minutes ago.

So - who IS the type of person who wants to have a kebab at 0135.

Well, Im a man in my 40's, I like a drink in the Barrels, then onto Watercress and I quite like that new place Shake and Stir - then I go for my kebab at around midnight, as Im done then.

So - who IS the type of person who wants to have a kebab at 0135?

Im a young lad, Im 20 - Ive had a drink at home, cos its nice and cheep from Tescos, then I went to the Long Bar, and then onto Yates, then I went to Fusion, I danced, drunk some more and then I had a Burger, at the Fusion burger bar at 0230. Its good they had a burger bar, as I had now had 6 drinks during the course of my night.

Mmmmmm a Fusion burger, lovely.

Who do you think these mysterious customers are at 2am looking for food in Hereford that are not in Saxtys/Play/Fusion?

Ah Jess Phillips, no guessing who her mother is  ;) She has a history of writing articles about her friends, I would hazard a guess that she knows the winner.

I understand the confusion here - but Ive asked the question and Jess IS NOT the daughter of Fiona. Just an unfortunate coincidence in surname. 

I don't care how they've done it, as far as I'm concerned they have a monopoly and it's anti-competitive

Biomech

Play, Fusion AND Saxtys all have a late night food licence and all serve hot food of some description.

You would agree im sure, that when young people have had a drink in a Nightclub in town, its good that these venues can offer food for people to eat inside, in safety, before going home.

Of course, a queue outside a kebab shop of which many dont have doorstaff on to keep the queue safe and in control would be much better?

This ruling has always baffled me. I went to university in Cheltenham in 1999 and food outlets were open until 3am, if not later. Over a decade later and Hereford is totally in the dark ages.

 

It was interesting to note that in Cheltenham aside from KFC the outlets were all independents which concerns me that this is another way Hereford Council is stifling local business.

 

Back in 1999 Hereford supported three major clubs - Play, Eros/Time/Dusk and the Crystal Rooms. Not to mention the smaller late night venues such as Manhattans. Go out on any weekend night at the turn of the century and they were all packed. People traveled from afar such was the fantastic reputation of the Rooms.

 

In 2014 go out and we now only have two large clubs - Play & Fusion. They are rarely packed. Thursdays and Sundays also used to be big 'going out' nights. Now town is deserted on those nights unless it is a bank holiday. Where has everyone gone?

 

The rise of cheap supermarket drinks and the smoking ban account for some lost trade but look to Worcester, Cardiff & Bristol and nightlife is booming regardless. This ridiculous, draconian ban on hot food must surely take a large chunk of blame.

Leon - what is the population of Worcester / Cardiff / Bristol?

The population of these towns/Cities in comparison to our little village of 59,500 heads?

Once we know the answer to that question - please then consider - the Hereford age demographics?

How is our 59500 split age wise compared to the above towns/cities?

Make it easy for you - perhaps just say Under 30 and over 30?

Perhaps that may go some way to explaining why the Nightlife is different to other places.

On top of this - employment and of course UNIVERSITY towns/cities compared to our little village. 

We will get a university here - but it will be 10 years before we get to the 5000 expected students of the SMT courses on offer here.

I do however fully agree with you re the supermarket price drinks. They sell drink to younger people who pre load and then go out to the pubs and clubs and that is what hits the pubs and clubs in town more than anything else.

Agreed - I know MH personally and he is indeed one of the good ones, but hey - people need to earn money to make a living and sadly you dont get paid much as a Councillor