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Cannot Purchase Hot Food In Hereford City After 1.30am

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#271 megilleland

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Posted 30 November 2014

Maccies in Commercial Street got a 4AM application thrown out in 2012. They trade outside the Cumulative Impact Zone ... 

 

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I'm not sure who drew the boundaries of that zone but the rules seem to be massaged to fit the objection ... 

 

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#272 Roger

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Posted 01 December 2014

So what are they capturing with this proposed enlarged zone? Imperial/Saxty's/Exchange are on there ... But Litch/Grapes escaped? Obviously got Maccies ... Must have been forgotten first time ... 


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#273 Bilbobobby

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Posted 03 December 2014

The CIZ is part of the council's Licensing Policy. The CIZ is something requested by the police to deal/manage the concentration of all types of licensed premises and the potential for crime & disorder. The policy is about to go to the council regulatory committee for discussion and hopefully approval. It has been subject to wide public consultation with very little responses received - including any objections to extending the CIZ.
Whilst a lot of the eateries are within the CIZ, there is NO blanket policy to prevent hot food being sold later than 0130hrs.
What has to be shown by any applicant is how they will promote the licensing objectives through proper management of the venue & how they can show that having the venue open later will NOT impact or undermine the licencing objectives. There is a skill in delivering this - its not the job of a lay person, but of someone who knows licensing law.
As at this time no one has applied for a (in the CIZ) late food licence later than 0130hrs. Why? I would hazard a guess there is no real demand for it!
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#274 H.Wilson

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Posted 04 December 2014

The CIZ is part of the council's Licensing Policy. The CIZ is something requested by the police to deal/manage the concentration of all types of licensed premises and the potential for crime & disorder. The policy is about to go to the council regulatory committee for discussion and hopefully approval. It has been subject to wide public consultation with very little responses received - including any objections to extending the CIZ.
Whilst a lot of the eateries are within the CIZ, there is NO blanket policy to prevent hot food being sold later than 0130hrs.
What has to be shown by any applicant is how they will promote the licensing objectives through proper management of the venue & how they can show that having the venue open later will NOT impact or undermine the licencing objectives. There is a skill in delivering this - its not the job of a lay person, but of someone who knows licensing law.
As at this time no one has applied for a (in the CIZ) late food licence later than 0130hrs. Why? I would hazard a guess there is no real demand for it!

 

That is a slight contradiction, how do you no there is no real demand when nobody can offer food after 0130? Of course there is no demand for hot food after 0130 because its not available! Secondly, there is probably too much red tape and expense to even challenge the councils CIZ policy. The CIZ area is the main area for nightlife, so is this not where people would want to purchase there food after their night out? 

 

If this applicant had applied for a licence anywhere else, ie Eign Road or Whitecross Road, then they would of refused or put more restrictions in place being in a residential area, you can't win..

 

 

I agree with K.Butt's quote above, if someone applied somewhere outside of the CIZ for late food license the excuse would then be its a residential area...

 

 

Does anyone know when this policy was first introduced in Hereford?


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#275 Aylestone Voice

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Posted 04 December 2014

If people want to buy hot food after 1.30am then they need to persuade one of the shops to make a request to extend their current licensed hours. Only when an application is made can all those who want it bombard the Council with letters of support to try and get it agreed


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#276 Bilbobobby

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Posted 04 December 2014

I agree with Aylestone Voice. Somebody should make an application follow the principles needed to address the law ans see how it goes.
McD's don't have the bottle to do it, if they had they would have appealed the refusal back in 2012 and would have likely won! The had a barrister presenting their case - a supposed licensing expert - against the police licensing officer...to prosternate and moan achieves nowt! Someone out there needs to apply..
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#277 Roger

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Posted 04 December 2014

What has to be shown by any applicant is how they will promote the licensing objectives through proper management of the venue & how they can show that having the venue open later will NOT impact or undermine the licencing objectives. There is a skill in delivering this

 

That is rubbish ... The existing night time spots serve people who get insanely drunk all the time ... They got very late licences, get loads of people that exit and cause trouble and are therefore consistently breaching one of the licensing objectives which is to prevent crime and disorder ... 'There is a skill in delivering this' ... ~ make your own mind up on that one ... ;-)


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#278 Bilbobobby

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Posted 05 December 2014

I'll leave this forum alone as it is not achieving anything, is going round in circles and will be discussing the same old - same old - rhetoric way into 2015.
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#279 megilleland

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Posted 05 December 2014

Isn't that what the council does - goes round in circles? Must be a local characteristic.


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#280 Colin James

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Posted 06 December 2014

That is rubbish ... The existing night time spots serve people who get insanely drunk all the time ... They got very late licences, get loads of people that exit and cause trouble and are therefore consistently breaching one of the licensing objectives which is to prevent crime and disorder ... 'There is a skill in delivering this' ... ~ make your own mind up on that one ... ;-)

 

I have worked the doors in Hereford for over 16 years and this is not my experience generally. Yes you do get drunk people of which most are just out to have a good time after working all week and are generally well behaved, that said, you will always get the few that spoil it for everyone else, Hereford is not unique...This does not prevent other towns and cities having ridiculas hot food curfews though does it? 

 

I still don't get this because as I have previously said, people are usually pretty hungry after beers and still go to the Lunch Box in Commercial Road or to the garage or Tesco's, so what's the difference here? Are they suggesting that hot food makes people more aggressive or noisy? 


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#281 Colin James

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Posted 12 December 2014

Well I have some really really good news! 

 

I have had a very interesting conversation with a good friend of mine and a very reliable source  this afternoon, who informs me that the previous licensing issues with regard to hot food are being relaxed and that positive changes are a foot.

 

From my understanding, any existing restaurant/pub/club can now apply for a late license and providing they can prove that they will have no impact on CIZ or increase criminal activity because they are staying open later there is a good chance that permission will be granted or rather no objections will come from the police etc..

 

The applicant may need to apply initially for a Temporary Event Licence in the interim but if after a period of say a few months there is no significant increase in crime, there should be no real reason for the council or police to challenge their application.

 

I have never understood why some of these food establishments have been prevented from still offering a home delivery service after 1.30 but that's by the by now.

 

So if you or anyone you knows has a take away, restaurant, pub or club get them to apply for a late licence if they so desire and lets see whats happens.

 

It would be interesting to see what happens if McDonalds in town re-apply now.


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#282 Roger

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Posted 23 December 2014

Normal activities are now being adversely affected by these cop budget cuts ... Whether it be a chip shop staying open late or a 17.30 football match ...

 

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#283 Colin James

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Posted 29 December 2014

Normal activities are now being adversely affected by these cop budget cuts ... Whether it be a chip shop staying open late or a 17.30 football match ...

 

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Plenty of Door staff available, there never have been loads of Police around in Hereford during the early hours, so I don't think this would have too big an impact.


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#284 Roger

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Posted 31 December 2014

Anecdotal reports elsewhere that the hot food places are open until 4AM on Commercial Road tonight ... 


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#285 Colin James

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Posted 01 October 2015

It has taken our campaign over 3 years but today we have a result!! 

 

At long last and after a very long campaign from Hereford Voice we can now all enjoy hot food until 3am everyday and 4.30am weekends!

 

I am pleased to confirm that this afternoon Herefordshire Council's Regulatory Sub Committee met and considered an application from the Golden Galleon in Commercial Road to serve hot food late at night.
The case was heard and debated at length. After careful consideration the committee agreed to vary their premises licence to permit the sale of hot food as late as 03:00 and 04:30 on bank holidays.

I hope this keeps everyone in the loop and allays any fears that Hereford is resisting such a change. The police will no doubt keep an eye on the situation in the city centre and the Council will of course have to respond to any applications to review this licence should the late night sale lead to public nuisance or crime & disorder. However, let's hope it doesn't come to that and that everyone can enjoy their long awaited hot chips..!

Marc Willimont
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Herefordshire Council 

 

 


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#286 Alex

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Posted 01 October 2015

It has taken our campaign over 3 years but today we have a result!! 

 

At long last and after a very long campaign from Hereford Voice we can now all enjoy hot food until 3am everyday and 4.30am on weekends!

 

I think you should start a topic listing Hereford Voice achievements, seriously I do.


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#287 Adrian symonds

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Posted 01 October 2015

It has taken our campaign over 3 years but today we have a result!! 

 

At long last and after a very long campaign from Hereford Voice we can now all enjoy hot food until 3am everyday and 4.30am weekends!

Until there is some trouble there and then the police will want it to stop.

As far as I remember that is the reason the council refused these early morning opening in the first place.


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#288 Frank Smith

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Posted 01 October 2015

Until there is some trouble there and then the police will want it to stop.

As far as I remember that is the reason the council refused these early morning opening in the first place.

 

Adrian, this has been discussed on both of these topics. You are right and that is why that have to have SIA door staff after 1.30am but have a read through all of the discussions it is an interesting read.


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#289 Roger

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Posted 02 October 2015

It has taken our campaign over 3 years but today we have a result!! 

 

At long last and after a very long campaign from Hereford Voice we can now all enjoy hot food until 3am everyday and 4.30am weekends!

 

Before we all get carried away (and I won't be) I offer you this from FB:

 

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It's been accepted that the chip shop ARE promoting the licensing objectives otherwise they wouldn't have the few 04.30 ending times that they've got. However they could easily promote those same licensing objectives (with the 9 conditions listed here) on any old day of the week. 

 

The chip shop appear to have been massaged into a position by the Police (with the amended application) which, for the most part, avoids it being open when the really late places turn out. But the cops can say that the chip shop no longer wanted the longer hours (true on paper) but I think we all secretly know they did want them ~ to mop up custom from The Play stragglers for a start.

 

The question I would ask is what part of the licensing objectives are the Golden Galleon not meeting for a wet Monday in February that they appear to be able to meet on a Saturday Night on August Bank Holiday weekend? Or is something else factored in here that the Golden Galleon has no control of? 


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#290 Roger

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Posted 05 February 2016

Pizza takeaway has longer opening times refused

 

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PERMISSION for longer opening hours at Domino's Pizza in Hereford has been refused.

 

Herefordshire Council's planning committee went against the officer's recommendation and refused the application to extend delivery times until 1am Sunday to Thursday and 2am on Friday and Saturday.

 

The pizza chain had also applied for an extension to opening hours for walk-in customers until midnight every day.

 

The current authorised opening hours are 7am to 11pm daily.

 

 

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#291 Colin James

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Posted 05 February 2016

Pizza takeaway has longer opening times refused

 

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This is interesting, I remember reading objections from a few residents to their application before, I need to have another read up as to why this was refused. It is mainly deliveries from here I believe. 


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#292 Steve Major

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Posted 06 February 2016

What is the problem with just offering deliveries after midnight? Sp was this refused based upon 1 or 2 resident objections? 


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#293 George Armstrong

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Posted 08 June 2017

According to Twitter, the intended new Hereford Fish & Chips Shop alongside the Golden Galleon has just been granted opening hours up until 4am, despite Council objections. Looks like the former Inspector Semper has come back as a 'Licensing Consultant' and now represents businesses around the city. So it looks like the ban on late night takeaways may be a thing of the past.
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#294 Colin James

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Posted 10 June 2017

According to Twitter, the intended new Hereford Fish & Chips Shop alongside the Golden Galleon has just been granted opening hours up until 4am, despite Council objections. Looks like the former Inspector Semper has come back as a 'Licensing Consultant' and now represents businesses around the city. So it looks like the ban on late night takeaways may be a thing of the past.

 

Good! I should be able to buy a takeaway at anytime of the day or night, if some company is happy to provide.  


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#295 Frank Smith

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Posted 17 June 2017

According to Twitter, the intended new Hereford Fish & Chips Shop alongside the Golden Galleon has just been granted opening hours up until 4am, despite Council objections. Looks like the former Inspector Semper has come back as a 'Licensing Consultant' and now represents businesses around the city. So it looks like the ban on late night takeaways may be a thing of the past.

 

Good news, Nick Semper is a good guy and understands that young people want to have a good night, which includes some grub on the way home! I don't see a problem with it, Golden Galleon has not had any major problems since their late night licence was approved and I notice that there are a few more places opening late. I hope more and more businesses apply to stay open, it would be good if in his new role he can visit other establishments encouraging them to apply too.


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#296 K.Butt

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Posted 17 June 2017

Nothing better than a kebab or a good hot curry after a good night out  :Grin:  :tongue_32:


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