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#61 dippyhippy

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Posted 22 July 2017

Agreed Bobby.

I'm pretty sure that nobody commenting on here knows the full story. Yet so many feel the urge to demean, demonise and vilify in their posts. It is truly depressing when one comment suggests that Russia - with it's record of human rights abuses - would be better placed to deal with this lady.

It's a sad state of affairs when folk feel they can post threats, and barely anybody condemns their words.

I hope all of the 'I'm alright Jacks' on here, never have the misfortune to find themselves on the fringes of society....or they might just find themselves the subject of a Hereford Voice thread, being given a public mauling.
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Posted 22 July 2017

First off all welcome to the forum, it is always noce to see and welcome new members.

 

I agree with the most part of your reply however, I am sure you are not suggesting that in Russia she would disappear completely...that said, they wouldn't put up with this stupidity either, equally, I am not so sure it makes me proud to live in a country that does nothing about it.

 

Thanks, nice to be here.

 

Lots of things happen in Russia.  

The disappearance of Tartars from the Crimea the systematic murder of gay men in Chechnya etc.

 

https://www.theguard...chechnya-russia

http://www.telegraph...-under-russian/

 

But honestly, I'm not looking for a row.  I'm bloody sure if the Police thought she'd broken a Law they'd have moved her on.  Personally I think she's a sandwich short of a picnic and needs to go back on her Meds.  Saying that, if she hasn't broken a law (and I know bugger all about that kind of law) then there's nothing they can do.  I doubt the Council want her there any more than we do but if she is mentally ill dragging her off won't achieve much, she'll just wander back.  

 

The cold this winter will make the mad cow think again I suspect, that's if the medical professionals haven't solved the situation.

 

Still proud to live in a country that protects the less fortunate, that offers homes to those who have none and doesn't send in the Police to deal with those suffering from mental illness.


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#63 Frank Smith

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Posted 23 July 2017

Agreed Bobby.

I'm pretty sure that nobody commenting on here knows the full story. Yet so many feel the urge to demean, demonise and vilify in their posts. It is truly depressing when one comment suggests that Russia - with it's record of human rights abuses - would be better placed to deal with this lady.

It's a sad state of affairs when folk feel they can post threats, and barely anybody condemns their words.

I hope all of the 'I'm alright Jacks' on here, never have the misfortune to find themselves on the fringes of society....or they might just find themselves the subject of a Hereford Voice thread, being given a public mauling.

 

On the flip side, your are one of those people quick enough to demonise the local authorities too without knowing the full facts quite often, I notice that you tend to side with the opposite side of authority usually all of the time, other members share the same views that whoever it happens to be is the victim and all the people having to make decisions are the bad guys? What gives? 

 

Away from this particular topic and person, I find it frustrating to often hear excuses being made for some of these people, that a regular criminal has been dealt a bad card in life or a person who is addicted to drugs or alcohol is vulnerable, someone who behaves often in a anti-social manner probably has mental issues and needs help, everyone is a bloody victim. Actually, we all have choices in life and we are all responsible for our own actions, yet it seems that the people who work hard and try to better themselves by buying their own homes etc etc, like myself, I get told because I voted to the Conservatives, which is my right, I am a Tory! So am I the bad guy here? 


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#64 dippyhippy

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Posted 23 July 2017

Hello Frank. Here's a reality check for you.

There are people in this country who ' work hard and try to better themselves' who cannot afford a roof over their heads. There are nurses using food banks, and schools requesting parents provide toilet paper for pupils to use.

Thank you for noticing that I go against the opinion of the majority of contributors on here. I'm left and proud. I take full ownership of my values.

Do you own your right wing opinions? Do you take ownership of what years of austerity have done to the most vulnerable?

We do have something in common though, Frank. I too work hard and have a house. The difference being that I don't begrudge others in a less privileged position having the same. We all need a home.

(PS - I don't think you're a 'bad guy', I just don't agree with a lot of your political views.)

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Posted 23 July 2017

Hello Frank. Here's a reality check for you.

There are people in this country who ' work hard and try to better themselves' who cannot afford a roof over their heads. There are nurses using food banks, and schools requesting parents provide toilet paper for pupils to use.

Thank you for noticing that I go against the opinion of the majority of contributors on here. I'm left and proud. I take full ownership of my values.

Do you own your right wing opinions? Do you take ownership of what years of austerity have done to the most vulnerable?

We do have something in common though, Frank. I too work hard and have a house. The difference being that I don't begrudge others in a less privileged position having the same. We all need a home.

(PS - I don't think you're a 'bad guy', I just don't agree with a lot of your political views.)

Yes I take ownership of my views and I respect yours but I believe that we need these austerity measures in order to reduce the national debt left behind.. There is no real difference as I certainly do not begrudge others less fortunate and I do not have a problem with genuine people claiming benefits, I Like the social system, what I don't like is hearing is that everyone else are apparent victims, I don't buy that. Getting back to this woman in a tent causing a right bloody mess, lets be honest about that! I clearly do not know all of the facts but from what I have read and what the police have said in their statement it appears that there is no helping this woman? 


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#66 dippyhippy

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Posted 23 July 2017

Hi Frank, check out an article called "The Labour Can't Be Trusted With The Economy Myth.' It will open your eyes to an uncomfortable truth to all those who unquestioningly swallow Tory lies.

The picure on the front page - which is the clearest - shows very little mess as far as I can see. In fact, compared to the many images we have on Hereford Voice of weeds, litter and the like, it looks positively gleaming. Granted we have an eyewitness who, whilst on the bus, saw paper blowing around on a windy day. (This is obviously completely shocking in a city as neat and tidy as Hereford, and would therefore appear to be good grounds for the flurry of abusive comments about the lady in question, by some contributors to this thread.)

As I said - we don't know the full story. I just don't understand why some folks can't keep their spiteful remarks to themselves.

Enjoy what's left of Sunday!

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Posted 23 July 2017

Finally! She has been removed, but I see Balfour Beatty were there clearing up all the mess she left behind. There was some plastic pipes that looked like 3 m guttering, I have no idea where they came from and an old trolly of some sort and some boxes by the look of it as well as other items of card and general rubbish, I guess we are paying to clear up her mess. 


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#68 Colin James

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Posted 23 July 2017

I have just driven past, yes I can confirm she has gone from this dangerous location thankfully.


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#69 Steve Major

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Posted 23 July 2017

About time, lets hope she finds somewhere safer to set up camp rather than somewhere like a roundabout, I have never seen anything like it tbh  :Grin:


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#70 K.Butt

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Posted 24 July 2017

Good, she was there far too long in my opinion anyway, thanks for leaving a nice little mess for someone else to clear up.


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Posted 24 July 2017

I heard that this lady had completed the complete series of the I Spy books relating to HGVs , Cars , Pedal Cycles et al .during her stay on the Island.

Seriously , this lady must now move on , seek and accept the help and guidance which had and will continue to be offered to her.
I wish her well.
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Posted 24 July 2017

So...  She's moved on...

She was there for what?  Three weeks or so?

And there was a constant barrage of "It's an accident waiting to happen!" from all the doom-mongers, not just here, but on the Hereford Times and Facebook too.

So...  How many accidents did she actually cause then?  Not one?  Can we all stop being so pessimistic in future?  Please?

For the record, I didn't agree with what she was doing, I think she contradicts her reasons for all her actions far too often quite honestly, and I think it was, in the main, just a "look at me" exercise.  But, that said, some of the things people have posted about her are quite awful and there are some people who should take a long look at themselves and their attitudes to others.  We are all just a few bad decisions or unlucky periods away from ending up like her.


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#73 K.Butt

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Posted 24 July 2017

So...  She's moved on...

She was there for what?  Three weeks or so?

And there was a constant barrage of "It's an accident waiting to happen!" from all the doom-mongers, not just here, but on the Hereford Times and Facebook too.

So...  How many accidents did she actually cause then?  Not one?  Can we all stop being so pessimistic in future?  Please?

For the record, I didn't agree with what she was doing, I think she contradicts her reasons for all her actions far too often quite honestly, and I think it was, in the main, just a "look at me" exercise.  But, that said, some of the things people have posted about her are quite awful and there are some people who should take a long look at themselves and their attitudes to others.  We are all just a few bad decisions or unlucky periods away from ending up like her.

 

I do not believe anyone from Hereford Voice posted anything that bad about her? And because she never caused an accident that's okay then? What a load of crap! She was a pain in the back side and most people agree. Like you said, what was she there for? Nice to see all the rubbish she kindly left behind for someone else to clean up, best not mention that though eh


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Posted 24 July 2017

Well said Clarkster. Now this devil of a woman has gone it frees up our time to get back to the good stuff. Sorting out these lazy scrounging Disabled bastards who's actions are tearing apart the very fabric of our British way of life.
Then there's the Meditteranean migrants. The Muslims. The survivors of Grenfell Tower and anyone else who ain't the right colour, ethnicity and who ain't Christian. Get the pigs head ready!
What about that barstard Corbyn. Yellow bellied fool who's reluctant to press the button and incinerate a million people in the first 90 minutes of conflict. The soft ****! Vote for a millionaire or some psychotic narcissistic headbanger who'll comfort the contributors of Hereford Voice and promise to bomb anyone who lives, worships or thinks a little differently to the narrative upon these pages.
Despise me and my words? Not as much as I despise you and your narrow minded heartless thinking.
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#75 megilleland

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Posted 24 July 2017

Vote for a millionaire or some psychotic narcissistic headbanger who'll comfort the contributors of Hereford Voice and promise to bomb anyone who lives, worships or thinks a little differently to the narrative upon these pages.
Despise me and my words? Not as much as I despise you and your narrow minded heartless thinking.

 

Or goes off topic!


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#76 Clarkester

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Posted 24 July 2017

I do not believe anyone from Hereford Voice posted anything that bad about her? And because she never caused an accident that's okay then? What a load of crap! She was a pain in the back side and most people agree. Like you said, what was she there for? Nice to see all the rubbish she kindly left behind for someone else to clean up, best not mention that though eh

I didn't single out any Hereford Voice comments, but there is one rather distasteful comment further up the list...

And, actually, Yes.  It is okay then.  If drivers are unable to pass by some woman camped out on a roundabout without crashing into each other then they shouldn't be on the road quite honestly.  The fact that no accidents happened really goes to show that it wasn't actually that much of a distraction after all.  No, she shouldn't really have been there, but she was and yet still nothing bad happened.


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#77 K.Butt

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Posted 24 July 2017

I didn't single out any Hereford Voice comments, but there is one rather distasteful comment further up the list...

And, actually, Yes.  It is okay then.  If drivers are unable to pass by some woman camped out on a roundabout without crashing into each other then they shouldn't be on the road quite honestly.  The fact that no accidents happened really goes to show that it wasn't actually that much of a distraction after all.  No, she shouldn't really have been there, but she was and yet still nothing bad happened.

 

What logic! ha ha unbelievable, okay the local lads run across the train line at Redhill everyday backwards and forwards, they are scrumping in the woods, they have been doing this for a month now without a single accident, not one! Even though people are telling them this is dangerous and an accident just waiting to happen, they still continue, perhaps the Police should issue a statement advising the train drivers to be more observant when approaching this junction. (scratches his head in dismay) 


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Posted 24 July 2017

Well said Clarkster. Now this devil of a woman has gone it frees up our time to get back to the good stuff. Sorting out these lazy scrounging Disabled bastards who's actions are tearing apart the very fabric of our British way of life.
Then there's the Meditteranean migrants. The Muslims. The survivors of Grenfell Tower and anyone else who ain't the right colour, ethnicity and who ain't Christian. Get the pigs head ready!
What about that barstard Corbyn. Yellow bellied fool who's reluctant to press the button and incinerate a million people in the first 90 minutes of conflict. The soft ****! Vote for a millionaire or some psychotic narcissistic headbanger who'll comfort the contributors of Hereford Voice and promise to bomb anyone who lives, worships or thinks a little differently to the narrative upon these pages.
Despise me and my words? Not as much as I despise you and your narrow minded heartless thinking.

 

Why because some members don't agree with you? 


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Posted 24 July 2017

What logic! ha ha unbelievable, okay the local lads run across the train line at Redhill everyday backwards and forwards, they are scrumping in the woods, they have been doing this for a month now without a single accident, not one! Even though people are telling them this is dangerous and an accident just waiting to happen, they still continue, perhaps the Police should issue a statement advising the train drivers to be more observant when approaching this junction. (scratches his head in dismay) 

 

I had the exact same thoughts, it speaks volumes if thats the logic of the author. 


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Posted 24 July 2017

K Butt and Bill, Completely agree.

Dangerous situations threatening life and limb do need to be flagged up to the relevant authorities.

Such concerns are always taken seriously......the residents of Grenfell will vouch for that.

Let's face it - poor and you complain, zero response. Poor and you're the source of complaints? Some folks seem to think they should be tasered and dragged off into the night.

Perspective.Is.Needed.

It's what has been lacking on this thread.

Alongside compassion.
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Posted 24 July 2017

K Butt and Bill, Completely agree.

Dangerous situations threatening life and limb do need to be flagged up to the relevant authorities.

Such concerns are always taken seriously......the residents of Grenfell will vouch for that.

Let's face it - poor and you complain, zero response. Poor and you're the source of complaints? Some folks seem to think they should be tasered and dragged off into the night.

Perspective.Is.Needed.

It's what has been lacking on this thread.

Alongside compassion.

 

Grenfell Tower has nothing to do with this particular thread, I seem to recall that has been discussed previously.....I have no wish to repeat that discussion again in this thread.

 

Tasered and dragged off into the night? Where did that come from?

 

The lady has now been removed from this dangerous location that she chose to set up camp on and unless we can get back to the original debate I will close this topic as we are entering into other topics which are moving away from the original.


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Posted 24 July 2017

Afternoon Colin, the taser remark was my response to a comment about Russian authorities being quicker to act. Personally, I think the authorities here have done well. They took a 'hands off' approach - and it clearly worked. But not quick enough for some folks.

The rest of my post is more a social comment on attitudes. Which I feel is valid.

Agree that this thread has run its course!
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Posted 24 July 2017

K Butt and Bill, Completely agree.

Dangerous situations threatening life and limb do need to be flagged up to the relevant authorities.

Such concerns are always taken seriously......the residents of Grenfell will vouch for that.

Let's face it - poor and you complain, zero response. Poor and you're the source of complaints? Some folks seem to think they should be tasered and dragged off into the night.

Perspective.Is.Needed.

It's what has been lacking on this thread.

Alongside compassion.

 

Compassion, I have compassion but not for people who's situation is self inflicted. I am not going to get into a full blown discussion but I do get frustrated  when I read such comments. Yes I am all for helping people who through no fault of their own need help and support but I have very little time for those who have caused most of it themselves.

 

Clarkester's logic is excellent.

 

Anyway, good news that she has now gone. 


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Posted 24 July 2017

Afternoon Colin, the taser remark was my response to a comment about Russian authorities being quicker to act. Personally, I think the authorities here have done well. They took a 'hands off' approach - and it clearly worked. But not quick enough for some folks.

The rest of my post is more a social comment on attitudes. Which I feel is valid.

Agree that this thread has run its course!

 

Hands off approach? They removed her and yes I agree it clearly worked.


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Posted 24 July 2017

Hi Steve, as I said in a previous post - none of us know the full story, but some are very quick to judge.

As for compassion shown on this thread?

Nothing says compassion more than ' I hope she gets a good slapping. Stupid cow.' 'I hope we have a good few storms' 'Remove her' and 'Idiot.'

Yes. Those comments just scream compassion.

As for being removed, I was under the impression she'd left voluntarily. Perfectly happy to acknowledge I got that wrong if so.

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Posted 24 July 2017

Hi Steve, as I said in a previous post - none of us know the full story, but some are very quick to judge.

As for compassion shown on this thread?

Nothing says compassion more than ' I hope she gets a good slapping. Stupid cow.' 'I hope we have a good few storms' 'Remove her' and 'Idiot.'

Yes. Those comments just scream compassion.

As for being removed, I was under the impression she'd left voluntarily. Perfectly happy to acknowledge I got that wrong if so.

 

Oh behave dippy this is just a few people venting their frustrations, ( I am sure we are all guilty of saying things on the spur of the moment) I do however agree that the slapping comment was unnecessary. I was told be more than one person that she was removed and there was a police van there either Friday/Saturday then Balfour Beatty arrived to clear up quite a lot of mess left behind, I would not put money on that, I am just going by what I had heard.


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Posted 24 July 2017

Having made some inquiries  today I have been advice by a good source, Mrs Lamputt has been taken to the Stonebow Unit, but not without a fight !!!


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Posted 24 July 2017

I had the exact same thoughts, it speaks volumes if thats the logic of the author. 

It does speak volumes actually.  

I stand by my comment, if drivers cannot see something out of the ordinary on a roundabout without crashing into each other, should they really be allowed to be in control of a vehicle?

Is it that much different to a group of men cutting the grass, or digging the plants?  People don't start having accidents when there are workmen on the roundabout, so how was she so much more of an accident risk to everybody?


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Posted 24 July 2017

My God it's getting worse. She's draining us dry. Not only has she escaped a damn good slapping, now she's taking help from our mental health services. Course, she'll be on disability benefit soon and taking the pi*% out of the rest of us with her blue badge. This wouldn't happen in other countries. it's time that we woke up and realised that these weak, poor, cheating scamming bastards are the real enemy to our society and the sooner we turn our social and economic modernity clock backwards by at least seventy years, the better off it will be for all of us.
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Posted 24 July 2017

"...turn our social and economic modernity clock backwards by at least seventy years..."

 

Seventy years ain't nearly far enough back ol' buddy. What we need is stocks in 'igh Town and a Witches duckin' stool, down by the Wye, where we'd drag Miss Lump-It.


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